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Wakka · Dec 05, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Depends on the weapon set tbh ^^ If your on your 40/40 then obviously your gonna have less, your shield/spear then more and so on.

LightningHell · Dec 05, 2007, 11:40 AM // 11:40

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Originally Posted by Wakka

Depends on the weapon set tbh ^^ If your on your 40/40 then obviously your gonna have less, your shield/spear then more and so on.

Which was why I specified the main set...

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Generally you'd have 640ish health and somewhere in the forties for energy on your main set, from my experiences.

Sword · Dec 05, 2007, 11:44 AM // 11:44

always minors, close thread =p

Caged Fury · Dec 05, 2007, 11:50 AM // 11:50

I used to use superior Protection or Healing for PvE and PvP (i.e RA and FA). Now, I've switched to using minor runes for monking, and only use the superior ones for 55-ing. I just find having higher health more beneficial.

I Angra I · Dec 05, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Minors always in both pvp and pve. Running a major or superior in pve isn't going to be gamebreaking, but the benefits aren't worth it anyway.

Abedeus · Dec 05, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

In pve - 480 is perfect for me.
In pvp - more than 550+ is a must.

Div · Dec 05, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

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Originally Posted by Ensign

For most of normal mode PvE it doesn't matter if you have runes in your armor at all.

To add on to that, a lot of HM PvE it really doesn't matter either. People need to stop using the argument of "I got through the game with a superior and two majors" and mix it up with having the best setup. Just because you beat the game or can do HM stuff with a suboptimal bar/equipment, it doesn't mean that it can be a valid argument for the most optimal setup. I've ran monks with bulls strike in GvG before and still destroyed teams. Does it mean that it's the best? Definitely not, as I wouldn't take it against any respectable team.

And the truth is...

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In situations where it actually matters what your equipment is, minors are going to consistently outperform superiors or majors on a Monk.

Unfortunately with consumables and all those PvE bonuses, there aren't many zones where your equipment matters. However, it will do stuff like allow you to finish DoA in 2.5 hours instead of 3 because your monks don't wipe as much.

Here's my argument on Superior vs Minor runes: Inexperienced players like to look at skills and when they see big numbers, they're happy. While it is true with damage attributes such as fire magic, what you have to realize is that most of the time, the extra few points of healing/divine doesn't really matter, since you're either going to be overhealing a target (aka bringing them to more than their maximum health), or it'll bring them to something like 80% (as opposed to 79% with a minor), the fight will end, and they'll regen to full. Having more prot works the same way (in terms of damage prevention, and the duration of the prot often doesn't matter at all since the fight is either over before it expires or the mob has already removed it by expiring. In either case, you won't feel the benefits of the superior rune, even though the numbers may look bigger. However, what you will feel is the cold floor when the elementalist or ritualist boss smacks you for 550 health (which just happened today--damn Duncan--and I was glad I had 640 health!).

Age · Dec 06, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

I don't have runes on my Heros and the Henchies don't have them either however I do use all minors unless farming.I did use majors at one time.

Theta Republic · Dec 18, 2007, 05:07 AM // 05:07

This is why I've 2 sets of max armor. One is for health/minor or major runes, one is for superior. (I actually purchased a full set of max armor for 55-ing, without realizing that armor doesn't matter -_-; ) And on occasion, I swap out a piece for a sup divine headpiece. Of course, the general rule applies. Don't overheal. Keep to some common sense things and you can do well.

Normal Mode: I can run a Sup if I've checked out what we're going against.
Hard Mode: Depends on the situation.

PvP: ......Why even ask, that's...dumb.

fainty · Dec 18, 2007, 05:32 PM // 17:32

It's not even needed to use superior runes inside pve. However some will say otherwhise (55hp farm, 600hp tank (sup protection if i'm right)).

However never needed the extra health boost for saving someone, however extra health boost is rather low anyway. Would it still hold someone alive with that extra hp gain?
I do normal mode for helping others and mostly hardmode vanquish area (H+H) if i got some time. At some points the extra boost would be nice (spirit bonds against some heavy bosses), but then again. it wouldn't save the person, just freed up 1 more second off damage making at max.

Inside PvP, be just sure you have 600+ hp with your spear/axe/sword + shield/offhand sets. I have myself 615hp with that set and 585hp with wand+offhand and staff sets.

Yichi · Dec 18, 2007, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by fainty

I have myself 615hp with that set and 585hp with wand+offhand and staff sets.

in an ideal situation you wouldn't.

Dronte · Dec 18, 2007, 06:03 PM // 18:03

No superior, use minors, go for high hp, especially in PvP.
My average hp on monk is 550-600 hp. (infuser needs the most hp, Im not playing infuser tho)

Vazze · Dec 18, 2007, 08:01 PM // 20:01

pvp: minor
pve: I have one set of armor with minor and another with sup runes. I usually run one sup rune, if the area is challenging I switch to minor. Sup runes are also good for all kinds of farming/specialized builds (55/bonder/etc).

ender6 · Dec 18, 2007, 08:43 PM // 20:43

In PvE, when i go monster fishing....

I load up one hero with several sup runes, thereby gimping him...

Add skills like Riposte, Deadly Riposte, Whirling Defense to his bar..

Then I make sure to throw enchants like Death Nova, Retribution etc on him....

Then as the monsters swarm him my nukers nuke, my monks heal/prot, Rangers Barrage....

I suppose I better head over to wiki and add my Bait Build before someone beats me to it.

PS never sup runes (obvious exception: unless 55ing)

Syntonic · Dec 18, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Personally, I've used majors, superiors and minors in PvE and I really haven't noticed a change in difficulty really since most places is simply just choosing the right set of skills to handle the situation rather than anything else.

For PvP, minors for obvious reasons. lulz at monk bashing in RA.

fainty · Dec 19, 2007, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by Yichi

in an ideal situation you wouldn't.

hmmm...

shield + spear = +60hp
armor, survivor on head, hands and feet. +15 armor while under affect of a condition on chest + legs.
this makes 615hp in total. used to have 640 in the past, with full survivor.

+10 armor vs physical
+10 armor vs elemental
+15 armor while affected by a condition

thus 3 can be used on chest or legs instead off the +hp, most off the damage are directed at thu 2 parts.

ideal sets aren't their. some spike with conditions in it (eviscarate), others spike with blood magic, others with lightning... most in gvg will make a condition inside their spike (deep wound mostly).

Yichi · Dec 19, 2007, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by fainty

useless stuff I already know and had nothing to do with what I quoted.

Re-read what I quoted and tell me the problem with it before you ramble please.

This is what I was refering too:

In an ideal situation, if you have 615 health on your monk in your sword/shield set, you will not have 585 health on your wand/offhand/staff set.

Idealy you would want a 40/40 wand set with would lower your hp to 555, same with your staff which would be a 40/20/20 prot staff if running a hybrid. Using a 20/+30 offhand or a +5/+30 weapon in your 40/40 slot to have an "in-between" health set is pretty useless.

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Originally Posted by ender6

In PvE, when i go monster fishing....

I load up one hero with several sup runes, thereby gimping him...

Add skills like Riposte, Deadly Riposte, Whirling Defense to his bar..

Then I make sure to throw enchants like Death Nova, Retribution etc on him....

Then as the monsters swarm him my nukers nuke, my monks heal/prot, Rangers Barrage....

I suppose I better head over to wiki and add my Bait Build before someone beats me to it.

Thats great and all, but what does this have to do with running a sup rune on a monk again???

fainty · Dec 19, 2007, 06:23 PM // 18:23

i mostly use a 20/+30 offhand, or actualy a 10/+30 offhand in most healing hybrid builds. but i see your point for 40/40 set where it lowers it to 555.

same with staves, hale staff of ... (mostly enchantment).

Teh [prefession]-zorz · Dec 20, 2007, 04:56 AM // 04:56

just like in PvP i usually only take majors, but in PvE i guess theres less need for the high health, and extra healing boost helps..

ender6 · Dec 20, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Yichi

Thats great and all, but what does this have to do with running a sup rune on a monk again???

Just highlighting the fact that if you lower your HP you become more attractive to the enemy AI.

Thus

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Originally Posted by ender6

PS never sup runes (obvious exception: unless 55ing)